Toggle signature "99. Per page: 15 30 50. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. But in the current version (1. So - power blocks and friendly empires banding together in some way we already had before overlord. capitalist_legos • 2 yr. Last game I was playing, I was the president of a trade federation and a neighboring empire that had associate status wouldn't join my federation due to a -2. . How can we stop supporting independence Stellaris? Just a heads up, if you “support independence” on a dominion of an Awakened Empire, and then eliminate that AE (freeing the subject), you can no longer. im trying to vassalize a smaller guy but a "population" debuff is stoping me. , 10 favors for 1000 consumer goods). Shared destiny is such an auto-pick as soon as you start getting vassals if you don't have fuedal. A-W-C-Y. Stellaris > General Discussions > Topic Details. Once their vassalization acceptance is -50 or higher, send a trade deal by buying all their favors. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space. Premium Powerups Explore Gaming. If the total number is positive, you'll see a green checkmark and they'll accept the demand, otherwise they won't. Susvassals – Demand Favors. His military might compared to mine was pathetic but my war exhaustion reached. Vassal subjugation was one of the main forms of expansion, as the influence cost for integrating vassals is usually far cheaper than a claim war, while the ability to demand vassalization allowed entire empires to be subjugated at once, before transition to vassal farming. Thread starter Echo Candor One; Start date Sep 7, 2021;. Seaghauwn Aug 11, 2018 @ 8:15am. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. 3 except to expand and/or make claims, at the moment you want to attempt vassalizations, you will have plenty of Influence (if not 1K influence) to improve relations. I declared war once available. Final Content from Expansion Pass Five Adds New Vassalization Mechanics and More. A country can become a vassal either through diplomatic or military means, and may eventually be annexed peacefully ("diplo-annexed") to the ruling kingdom. Demand Vassalization isn't there. Instead, like this, you're stopped from making stupid choices by the system even when you don't have the intel to know they're stupid choices. But yeah, the moment vassals get involved half the tree becomes utterly useless and the other half gets reduced in value. ago. 1-Constantly getting and losing CBs when able/unable to vassalize is annoying. Note that it usually will require you to fully conquer their space (plus the space of their allies) to win. In the default galaxy map mode, subjects have the same color as their overlord. If you occupy all/most of their systems and definitely ALL THE PLANETS they will accept a full surrender. Shouldn't I be getting all their stuff if the AI quits the game or whatever? I reloaded a save to see if the option was there pre war, then I read up. Basically you need three things: You need to be on good terms with them. and federal membership causes a -1000 to vassalization acceptance which would be removed when this happens, this means that there suddenly may be many nations. Economy is much more important for some reason, like for example if fleet was inferior, research was equivalent, and economy was inferior you'd be able to declare war, its odd. New Vassalization Mechanics, Origins, and More arriving in Expansion Pass Five. I liberated secton of planets and I got them up to +300 opinion and they are 'friendly' but the demand vasalisation has base -50 and -something for pops. Not all empires can demand vassalization. wymsic May 16, 2016 @ 5:26pm. Modifier Effects. The relations boost will greatly help when they start complaining about their military. 31. You can vassalize by liberating a group of systems, then vassalizing the resulting empire formed of those systems. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming. 3] This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. there's just no diplomatic option there to do it. When they refuse you get a CB and can go to war to enforce it. Arathorn-the-Wise • Necrophage • 1 yr. I just pumped out a bunch more ships, and that brought me. Neighbour means that a hyperlane. [deleted] •. Originally posted by Hurodrik: And demands must be set when the war starts. So if they are inferior across the board is doesn't matter how disloyal they are, they're under your thumb. This really should be looked at, if i want to try to force another empire into submission I. Heya, I usually never play pacifist or tall, so I wanted to try it out. Status quo vassalization doesn't require claims either, just occupation. There's two main ways to get a total war, either be or start a war against a genocidal race (or a. . if their fleets just emergency ftl out of there and arent actually destroyed, then you dont get as many points to win this. I do have the problem, that i cant even demand vassalization, even though tradition is adopted (and meanwhile fully adopted). So here's an easy way to do it. At the end of the day, so long as you are overwhelming in fleet power, vassalization is easy, and rebellion is essentially nonexistent. Reply IHaTeD2 •. What' is the Empire population -x mean ? It is a mechanism that basically makes vassalization impossible on larger empires, so players can't go around wooping almost equal empires, demand vassalization & gain a huge military boost within 6 or so years when that emprie gets its fleet back. You will see that vassalization isn’t a choice right now by hovering over. But in the current version (1. iircWith more aggressive AI leading to more wars, which naturally leads to more Vassalization, the first change i'd probably do would be "VASSALIZATION_ACCEPTANCE_HARD_DIFFICULTY" -100 (from -50) and change WAR_VASSALIZATION_PER_POP to something much higher to make it cost much. Sh0at • 5 yr. If they refuse, then you can war for it. One of the best ways to consolidate power is through subject empires. What' is the Empire population -x mean ? It is a mechanism that basically makes vassalization impossible on larger empires, so players can't go around wooping almost equal empires, demand vassalization & gain a huge military boost within 6 or so years when that emprie gets its fleet back. Huge mistake. I've just liberated a bunch of planets to create a liberated empire with the same government system as my own. Another factor might be your empire ethics, which may prevent the vassalization. Things were nice, but they noticed we would eventually surpass them and started integration. Big buff for Megacorps. Immediately begin a military buildup so they stop seeing you as pathetic relative power and they’ll stop asking. Per page: 15 30 50. I would demand tribute from my neighbours and if they refused i would invade for vassalisation. They won't accept if they don't like you, simple as that, you can mouse over the red cross to show the reasons why they will reject. . If they don't want to be subjugated it will usually tell you why. Stellaris > General Discussions > Topic Details. 10. Pick the empire in the “Empires” tab, then press “Communicate” to see what the “Demand Vassalization” icon looks like. ago. Report. Use branch offices on your basic economy so you can focus specialists. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. A few to several thousands. A-W-C-Y. Best. It should only be a last resort since it pisses off a lot of pops, but if 75% of your empire is in a faction than suppressing it will force some of those pops into other factions and hopefully you'll get enough for the faction you're trying to switch too. x empires in the same time. Warscore is changed it seems for small countries, so you get a LOT of warscore for a single occupation of a 3 planet empire. Quite similar to other paradox games but a bit different too! This thread is archived. 28 abr. It didn't last long before we became a vassal, but having the biggest mofo in the region as our overlord meant we could just focus on economy and research 100%. Vassalization and integration are not necessarily cheaper. I liberated secton of planets and I got them up to +300 opinion and they are 'friendly' but the demand vasalisation has base -50 and -something for pops. The new empire that's created as a result of Liberation has a large bonus to their opinion towards you because of the Liberation, so you should be able to vassalize immediately. I stole their pops and put them into slavery; vassalising their Government afterwards. • 3 yr. The game should restrict further gameplay until demands are set. When an empire accepts your trade offer, you'll see that "Demand. 3. If it has a red cross, though, you’ll have to go through those hoops. I can't find how to demand though Both of you have to be at peace first and you must be superior or overwhelming in power in some way. Once i had enough i went back to the screen but the option to. There are situations where you want the claims, other where you don't and sometimes you only want a bunch of them. Three non-customizable "starter pack" policies is a strange decision, there's no reason not to pick the worst one. In past versions I could (if large enough and near enough) immediately demand vassalization, with the intention of future integration. Claim discount stacking is very easy to do in the current meta, and most empires that will be going for conquests prior to colossus project will have around -50% claim costs or better. Vassal Contracts are a massive new feature of the Stellaris 3. ago. If I'm playing space Costa Rica let me demand vassalization of space US. I just noticed that there is no demand vassal option at all in this game. Warfare. 8), the "Demand Vassalization" option is visible but disabled with a "Recently. It is, just demand vassalization in diplomacy and start a war with CB you receive if they do not agree. This is not okay. #9. As it is now, when you win a vassalization war, you take the vassal and the claims. R5: I am staying in 2. Age of Wonders 4 Empire of Sin Cities: Skylines 2 Crusader Kings 3 Europa Universalis 4 Hearts of Iron 4 Hunter: The Reckoning Imperator: Rome Prison Architect Stellaris Surviving Mars Surviving the Aftermath Vampire: The Masquerade Victoria 3. [deleted] • 1 yr. 2. yet they are marked as equivilant in strengh so I cannot demand vassalization. This really should be looked at, if i want to try to force another empire into submission I. I can't seem to vassalise a recently liberated empire. What happens if you demand vassalization of a fellow federation member? I have a hegemon subordinate that is inferior where I can demand vaselization, but I'm on iron Man so I don't want to get myself kicked out. All Discussions. You need to stack up some energy. Originally posted by HappySack: · New vassalization mechanics let you define the role of your new subjects - create new Specialist Empires to grow into economic superpowers, military specialists, and technological creators. 0, it just needs a few tweaks to be fully functioning. Make them like you with a combination of envoys and bribes. Choose a nation to vassalize. 403K subscribers in the Stellaris community. Obviously i didn't immediately have the reputation needed, so i gave them an embassy and some trade details to increase the reputation. This means that an advanced start AI with many times your power will readily accept vassalization as if it was a puny single system empire. After taking over their lone planet and figuring maybe that was enough for them to surrender. Stellaris > General Discussions > Topic Details. Members Online. Description. Is there a way to force a neighbour to become your vassal with the. There certainly are some gains from having direct (or sector) control over planets instead of letting other empires technically own them, but also some drawbacks. Took me a few minutes to understand I'd also taken on their vassals also. Op · 2 yr. Disregard the Diplomacy tradition at first, instead focus on filling out Supremacy. Negotiations are more expensive and and AI is less likely to approve (higher penalties). r/Stellaris. The demand vassalization is broken, the empire population modifier is impossible to get by because it doesn't scale with YOUR empire pop. Like in Stellaris, if your target that is weaker than you rejects the demand, then you get a CB to force them into a vassal? Advertisement Coins. Also, I don't think that pacifists can have 'demand vassalization' wargoals, defensive war or not. Stellaris offers unique 4x space strategy MMO experience: - Stellaris: Galaxy Command extends the Stellaris universe to mobile, putting space strategy and. You still can. First Traditions: Expansion, Unyielding. STOCKHOLM - March 8, 2023 - Paradox Interactive, a developer and publisher of games for all audiences, today released Overlord, a full expansion for Stellaris: Console Edition, on Xbox and PlayStation consoles. Mass federating and in a way the mass free will vassalization issues all spread from that. Note that it usually will require you to fully conquer their space (plus the space of their allies) to win. New vassalization mechanics let you define the role of your new subjects - create new Specialist Empires to grow into economic superpowers, military specialists, and technological creators. 8] Subscribe. how does one do that now, it seems we can only peacefully vassalize, because it doesnt seem like we get the casus belli for. This is a screenshot of the second war, that I'm afraid I'm gonna lose if things keep going like this. Astral Planes and Stellaris 3. I've noticed this when playing hard (ironman) difficulty today. Negotiate or demand contracts and agreements between your vassals to define the future of dozens of worlds, and reap the benefits! A Galaxy United. Force vassalization (military) [edit | edit source] A nation can be forcibly vassalized as part of a peace treaty (option in the Treaties menu of the negotiation screen). A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. It's not exactly a direct vassalize empire console command but it did the trick for me. If you are going against an 80+ empire/federation, it's. Though generally, as long as they are not xenophobes and at least share a single ethos with you, it should be fine to vassalize them. (No opposing Ethics) You used to be able to Vassalize them with just 1 or 2 of those things, but they made it harder in the last patch. Since you were just at war with them, the CoM was still diplomatically hostile towards you and would never accept any proposal. then declare war within 1 year and let's rock. 8 not letting you demand subjugation easily, Vassals still OP. Therefore, without "Force Vassalization", my game is currently broken. We can negotiate, and renoegotiate the terms of our agreement. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…Yes. While I understand this is how the game is currently coded. In Stellaris, a war is only won if the opposing empire surrenders. com Best. Or ideaology might work too. yet they are marked as equivilant in strengh so I cannot demand vassalization. You also have to demand vassalization first. Migration treaties seem to be one of the few ways to increase that growth if you're willing to shell out the influence for it. Depending on how strong you are relatively to either of them. Keeps you from conquering AIs one at a time. The actual vassalization acceptance is absolutely fine as it is now! I'm against any changes here. Demand vassalization and go to war and win. vassal liberation/secret fealty wars are radically stacked in favor of the overlord. 3 fix to get back to this save. You need to either be overwhelming relative to the empire, which will be grant you the subjugation casus belli, or you offer a contract, they decline and you get the CB that way. In my last game had I had over 50 planets and 800 pops, I liberated some neighboring empires and waited until "just liberated" modifier went off ( -1000, 20 years ) and even with +320 opinion and full trust I can't demand vassal because of pop modifier, even. Negotiate or demand contracts and agreements between your vassals to define the future of dozens of worlds, and reap the benefits! A Galaxy United. Basically, you cant declare war because you have a defensive pact with them, but you cant break the pact because you aren't independent (as a vassal) (You cannot set wargoals at all because you do not have the option to declare war in the first place thanks to the above logic loop. ago. Description. CryptoSince you share a species with the fanatic purifiers, they do not hate you even though your species hate them. (Ie: effects of similar and differing ethics. This really should be looked at, if i want to try to force another empire into submission I. there's a lot to say about stellaris' war systems. I initiated several wars against them with claims to capture choke points that would let me defend my empire better against them. Nowadays it is rarely used, but not worthless. 403K subscribers in the Stellaris community. Jump to latest Follow Reply. This unlocks the Supremacist diplomatic stance, which doubles the diplo weight you get from your navy. Having the same issue. Stellaris v3 version available here! This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. Once you get to a very large empire/federation, that drops (which makes some sense- an occupation means less against them). . (Friendly) You need to be way more powerful than them. Eko. Having more planets (& pops) raises the cost of techs and now unities - as far as I know tributary/vassals do not. Make it so you can't demand vassalage unless you have overwhelming military power, but technology and economic power should not matter. Peaceful vassalization works best with a xenophile empire. Either one that allowed you to demand Vassalisation agaisnt them in. Therefore i have to offer protectorate (i assume like you did) for the subjugation casus belli. ago. or give in if I demand vassalization. I believe one of the most prominent problems with Stellaris at this moment, and especially since the release of Overlords, is the lack of independent empires in the galaxy. 4. If Overlords could micro manage the. as such it seems. At the very least, I could temporarily turn trading hubs into anchorages until they're inferior, then demand, then turn them back if needed. It is clear that the give and demand are supposed to balance each other out but right now, it doesn't. Inward Perfection -> Crisis empires, for example, need the Imposed Inclusion CB to vassalize as under normal circumstances they can only demand tribute, and if refused they can't go to war to force tribute. There should be a tab that says something like:"Demand tribute" or "Demand subjugation". At least it doesn’t seem to. The other empires of this federation become in war. Members Online. Demand vassalization, declare war to vassalize them, wage total war on them until they surrender, integrate them asap. Not stating vassals are OP at. Crusader Kings II: Tech Support. But in the current version (1. My selected playstyle is stay tall (5-7 planets), then make a vassal, start feeding him planets after wars, then when I've got decent tech and traditions, integrate him. Becoming a vassal in the early-game is usually game over. that's the conditions for winning. until they declare war on you. It says that I need to fulfill this in order to demand vassalization, so I can get my wargoal. You might expect a cold war or even hot war situation once the galaxy is divided in 2-3 power blocks, but stellaris just doesnt seem to favor that. Bochanks Stellaris Veteran •. 4. A-W-C-Y. (Like 80/20) You need to have compatible beliefs. Become superior and have good relations. if a federation declares a vassalization war on an empire in another federation and the aggresor wins via war goal completion does that mean all federation members are vassalized or just the empire that was specifically declared on and it's vassals? i tried this with 2 rebel empires who managed to vassalize eachother, when i took over the overlord. Pretty sure the superior requirement is only to get them as a willing vassal, without a war. ago. yet they are marked as equivilant in strengh so I cannot demand vassalization. ago. Can I vassalize empires as Hive Mind? Thread starter Firehawk11; Start date Mar 20, 2020; Jump to latest. Mind you, demand vassalization is very unlikely for anything with more than 3 planets because it has a negative modifier for pop count, negative for relative strength, negative for bad relations etc. Vassalization seems to be the wide strategy, where tributaries seems to be the tall. It says that I need to fulfill this in order to demand vassalization, so I can get my wargoal. Before this most recent update you could demand vassalization/tribute and then enforce the demand in war. Subjugation CB is only there if you are superior in all three categories, so. I am sitting on this for like 2 years now, they will not surrender. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A [deleted] • Additional comment actions. I can’t demand to Vassalize someone, then get a cassus belli If they refuse. There certainly are some gains from having direct (or sector) control over planets instead of letting other empires technically own them, but also some drawbacks. Report. ) FluffyLlama04 • 1 yr. The old system where. And then you demand the vassalization, and if they don't accept you can force the issue by declaring war with your goal set to vassalize. Secondly, you have a connected border. That means you can’t declare war on the. When an AI empire is about to declare war it will first. It's a detailed breakdown of which factors speak for and against accepting the demand. I've read that total war is the only war type where you can get all the systems in an enemy empire in a war, and that you either need a colossus or a…You can remove diplo vassalization by editing 00_actions. YobaiYamete • Nihilistic Acquisition • 1 yr. This not only means a stronger fleet, but a strong empire in general, e. Empires no longer have to be friendly to be vassalized, previously it was -1000 to anything but friendly, which really. If you demand them as a vassal you should be able to push that as a war goal and take. If you are a megacorp you will have the option "demand subsidiary status" instead of vassalization/tribute. Best. It is far easier and faster than trying to conquer individual planets. Then start working on getting those two diplomacy perks, so you can found a federation instead. This will prevent their ally from joining the war unless they really hate you. It was a fun run. Check out my home page, smash t. But I did. Demand vassalization. Back in the good old days, you'd get 3-5 Federations and 1-3 powerful solo empires (with or without vassals) and the galaxy would. If there are any ways of forcing an outright surrender, I do not know of them, although I would expect 100% occupation could achieve this. This really should be looked at, if i want to try to force another empire into submission I. And sadly a bit necessary on higher difficulties so you can indirectly benefit from AI economy bonuses. . Go into the diplomacy tab with the empire you wanna vassalize. Why is the cost to demand vassalization have to be superior? the empire I am currently wanting to vassalize is inferior to me in fleet power and technology and equivilant in naval capacity. apf5 • 6 yr. I stole their pops and put them into slavery; vassalising their Government afterwards. Authors description: Exalted Domination – Vassals And Tributaries. We slowly, methodically, build up our infrastructure. The total warscore cost for force vassalization is 1 warscore per 1 development plus 5 warscore for each province (plus roughly 25% of the capital province development, plus. And, given that his fleet power is already pathetic and you want to become superior to him, my best advice is to build anchorages in order to increase your naval capacity. i've been trying to find a way to win by not going to war and i've read about vassals and such, but i cant even find an option for it, i can only offer to become someone elses? i could really use some more detailed or up to date info? thanks in advanceAs a megacorp you want to play tallish anyways, so go out, and carve up your enemies in chunks with vassalization wars (always settle status quo and take pieces which match your ethics) Federate and diplo-vassalize everyone else. Why go for cheap claims when you can just Demand Vassalization and get a ‘Subjugation’ casus belli, it’s completely free, if you win you can take (and later integrate) an entire empire, and even if you don’t. Peaceful vassalization works best with a xenophile empire. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. 2017 às. I don't think you can force them to become a vassal, and you don't get the option to demand it from them. Takes forever. There should be a tab that says something like:"Demand tribute" or "Demand subjugation". Neighbour means that a hyperlane of a system you own leads into their territory. Vassals are more likely to pledge secret fealty and betraying you. First, you need to start off with a subject empire, it can be a vassal, protectorate, or even tributary state. Per page: 15 30 50. ago. I just attempted my first war with a neighbour with the objective of making him a vassal. Negotiate or demand contracts and agreements between your vassals to define the future of. No matter how benign your empire is, Stellaris will bring you into conflict with other empires. If you want to have a vassal, its better to demand vassalization as a wargoal, you can still keep any systems you claim. 0, Stellaris has undergone a number of major mechanical changes that have decreased the value of conquest. Toggle signature "The universe is a pretty big place. to win the war, you'll likely have to occupy more planets. Has anything changed in recent patches relating to the diplomatic option to demand vassalization? Most are saying it must be a bug, because it wasn't like this in the version of Overlord the Youtubers were playing over the weekend. Disloyal subjects. I'm pretty sure to demand someone's vassalization, you need to be superior to them in overall strength. Yeah, I have that but I'm sure that doesn't count towards the victory condition that's why I wasn't wanting to do it. So far I see two ways to take planets from other empires: a) by ceding planets directly and b) by vassaling this empire and then integrating them. Onward, Toward Perfection (A Stellaris Story)-- My Guide to Traits, Ethics, Origins, Civics, Traditions and APs for. 0 "Pyxis" Preliminary Release Notes self. Refusing an ultimatum is often a casus belli in the real world. From then on, all you do is keep your navy as big as possible, and sling the federation fleet around like a bludgeon to bully everyone around you. You will claim vassalization right away if one has a green tick. You need the DOmination tradition, and to have a higher relative strenght. After a single month of trade you can delete it. You need to stack up some energy. If you think their fleet power is inferior, shouldn't you be able to send a vassalization demand? After all, it's your fault if you make demands of an empire that's superior to yours. But I don't even understand what that sentence means (I understand it normally, but not this instance). Stellaris. Create the ketling colony ship and dispatch. You could shove up right against one, rival, insult, and claim their systems. You need to adopt the domination tradition tree. since their government is forced into your ethos by "liberation. (Justified or no. That feels like a developer oversight. Why is the cost to demand vassalization have to be superior? the empire I am currently wanting to vassalize is inferior to me in fleet power and technology and equivilant in naval capacity. Or maybe the new patch since Overlord came out. I want to vassalize a bunch of Empires as fanatic militarist xenophobe, but they always seem to be crap militarily, and whenever they even approach…2. Integration takes decades and (more importantly) costs a lot of precious influence. yet they are marked as equivilant in strengh so I cannot demand vassalization. My only worry is that, broken as they are now, they may jump in some defensive pact or somethingBusiness, Economics, and Finance. 8] Subscribe. Offer Protectorate is what you want. What you really need to make this post about is a request than an AI can get powerful and then demand freedom. reduction modifiers divide an amount of a resource or attribute by a set amount. Legacy Wikis. If your war goal is vassalization, when the AI accepts a status quo victory, all of their systems that you fully control but have not claimed will split off into a new vassal state. However that demand can only be made, if you are "officially" stronger. It should be noted that if they start out as a tributary, then there will be an option in contacts to demand vassalization that gets a positive bonus based on subject loyalty - you don't necessarily have to go to war if the subject is loyal and has other positive opinion bonuses. 2. Making federations baseline and replacing one or two of the points with something vassalization related could go a long way. New vassalization mechanics let you define the role of your new subjects - create new Specialist Empires to grow into economic superpowers, military specialists, and technological creators. ago. Right on the money, liberate them. im trying to vassalize a smaller guy but a "population" debuff is stoping me. Claim discount stacking is very easy to do in the current meta, and most empires that will be going for conquests prior to colossus project will have around -50% claim costs or better. Casus Belli is the reason to go to war. This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. Removed the need for superiority to demand vassalization, though this does not effect whether the empire will accept or not. Three non. 2. I managed to get +200 EC with only 15%. The only way I managed to demand vassalization was by making an empire my tributary. I actually feel like Mars has more potential to become an ecumenopolis over Earth. Another criteria is your tech advantage. Use a chattel slave economy for your core resource needs, including a food economy to power alloy production. ago. I can't find any point where I could: - create a new diplomatic option besides "Demand vassalization" such as "Demand vassalization (Unity)"You get subjugation casus-belli towards any inferior empire automatically, no need to propose it first. The root of all this is not that AI is too easy to accept vassalization, but that the number of Minitrue and specializations aren't limited. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy…I faced inaccessibility of war for submission (as the vassal or the tributary), I send the offer "To offer the status of protectorate" or "To demand a tribute", any empire refuses (well, on a kraytsny measure while there are no concordants peacefully), then I come into options of declaration of war. Even worse, AI waging never-ending wars makes them demand-proof. I also form a Hegemony with a weak "ally" and called the "Sēnātus Populsque Gālactūs", or SPQG for short. in this case the summary is that vassal loyalty wars count the overlord as a defender and so the vassal that wants to either swap to a new. Tudo Discussões. A vassalization offer from an AI which has a negative relationship can lead to war. 1. It's an all in one perk that boosts your economy massively too (due to how easy it is to fleece your vassals). 17blue17. In my. This doesn't work in Cepheus. If they refuse you get a wargoal to make them a subject. then do what epicprodigy told you and just go to the diplomacy screen and demand vassalization but remember you can’t demand vassal someone if you have a defensive pact or a non aggression pact. A vassal country is a country, a client state, that is subject to the rule of a foreign country. Stellaris 50492 Bug Reports 30957 Suggestions 19162 Tech Support 2904 Multiplayer 377 User Mods. more and more territory to drive up the occupation score until they surrender or are willing to accept a surrender demand. In Stellaris 3. yet they are marked as equivilant in strengh so I cannot demand vassalization. If they accept they become your vassal(or whatever subject type you asked for).